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Baader SunDancer II 3x Telecentric System TZ-3STelecentric systems are mainly used in H-alpha filters for solar observation, where the 1/100 lambda plane-parallel etalon in the H-alpha filter requires a perfectly parallelised beam of light over the entire image. These telecentrics deliver very sharp images, but are usually only optimised for the H-alpha wavelength.
This achromatic SunDancer 3x telecentric is designed for the entire visible spectrum and can therefore not only be used on H-alpha systems, but also replace a Barlow lens. Due to the parallel beam of light, it is very good-natured with regard to the working distance: While the magnification factor of a Barlow lens changes with the distance to eyepiece or camera (zoom eyepieces are also based on this principle), the magnification factor and image quality of the TZ-3 do not change, even if the eyepiece is placed way beyond the working distance of the optical design (96 mm behind the base of the T-2-thread). You can also place camera/eyepiece much closer to the telecentric system, but especialy when using an H-alpha-filter, you will then observe not only the sun, but also structures within the naturally grown etalon filter, which are invisible with the correct working distance.
The achromatic SunDancer II TZ-3S illuminates an image circle of 27.5mm at a distance of 96mm from the base body, ideal for the small sensors of modern, fast planetary cameras that require high magnifications for photographing the moon and planets. The contrast is better than with simple barlows or the eyepiece projection often used for high magnifications. With the 3x telecentric system, the high magnifications which are necessary for visual observations can also be achieved with long focal length orthoscopic eyepieces. The interpupillary distance of the eyepieces used does not change either. When using the 2" nose piece, the focus position changes only by 3mm compared to a 2" eyepiece, so that the TZ-3S can also be used on a bino-viewer with T-2 adaption instead of a 2.6x glass path corrector, e.g. to reach focus when observing planets with a Newtonian.
The connection on the telescope side is made via a dual 1.25"/2" nosepiece with safety kerfs (these prevent tilting due to an incorrectly positioned safety groove and at the same time provide a secure hold). On the camera side, the T-2 thread provides a tilt-proof, fixed connection even to heavy cameras or to T-2 eyepiece clamps. For the T-2 thread, adapter rings are available for almost all common connection systems (e.g. M48 / 2"/ M68).
Comparing telecentric systems with Barlow lensesA telecentric system extends the focal length similar to a Barlow lens, but with parallel rays of light. This means that the working distance is almost the same, and the quality and image scale remain the same. At the same time, the TZ-3S delivers a high-contrast image. For the following comparison shot, a church steeple was photographed with an APS-C DSLR with the same camera settings; once with a Baader Q-Barlow, which was brought to a triple magnification factor with spacer sleeves (you can find more about this in this PDF), and once with the TZ-3S. On cameras with less than 27.5mm image circle, edge shading is no longer a problem and you benefit from higher contrast of the telecentric.
Comparison of Baader SunDancer II H-alpha-Filter and Baader SunDancer II TZ-3S
The 3x Telecentric System with integrated blocking filter is only available with the SunDancer II H-alpha filter.
The 3x Telecentric System TZ-3S without blocking filterThe telecentric system of the Baader SunDancer II H-alpha Filter (#1363056 , € 3545,-) is the same as the Baader SunDancer II 3x telecentrics TZ-3S, but additionally contains a 2nm (FWHM) blocking filter. It shimmers golden when you look into the SunDancer from the telescope side. This blocking filter is absolutely necessary to protect the actual H-alpha filter from solar radiation. The 3x telecentric system is available as Baader SunDancer II 3x Telecentric TZ-3S without block filter, e.g. for use with other H-alpha-filters. The blocking filter, however, is not available separately.
The SunDancer II Telecentrics
- Baader SunDancer II Telecentric System TZ-3S (#1363070 , € 365,-) with gold anodized label: Achromatic 3x telecentric with 95 mm working distance from the base of the T-2 thread and 27.5mm clear aperture. Provides the desired focal ratio of f/30 on telescopes with f/10. This telecentric is also available without the SunDancer II H-alpha filter, but then only without the 2 nm block filter of the H-alpha filter. For clear identification, this telecentric has a gold-colored anodized banderole.
- TZ-3S with 2nm block filter and red anodized label: Achromatic 3x telecentric of the Baader SunDancer II H-alpha Filter (#1363056 , € 3545,-) is equivalent to the Baader SunDancer II 3x Telecentric TZ-3S, but additionally contains a 2nm (FWHM) block filter. It shimmers golden when you look into the SunDancer from the telescope side. This block filter is mandatory to protect the actual H-alpha filter from solar radiation. For clear identification, this telecentric has a red anodized band, otherwise identical to the Baader SunDancer II Telecentric System TZ-3S (#1363070 , € 365,-) . Please note: We deliver the SunDancer II only with TZ-3S. An alternative cover with TZ-4S is unfortunately not possible.
- Baader SunDancer II Telecentric System TZ-4S (#1363080 , € 385,-) with violet anodized label: Achromatic 4x telecentric with 97 mm working distance from the base of the T-2 thread and 36mm clear aperture. Provides the desired focal ratio of f/30 on telescopes with f/7.5. For clear identification, this telecentric has a violet anodized label. This telecentric does not include the 2 nm blocking filter of the H-alpha filter; for use with the SunDancer II, the 2 nm block filter must be converted from the TZ-3S of the SunDancer II filter to the TZ-4S. The use with large SolarSpectrum H-alpha filters with already integrated block filter and additional energy protection filter is possible without this additional 2 nm block filter.
The blocking filter reflects the sunlight just before the etalon and the telecentric system. This protects the etalon from excessive heat. In addition, an etalon also transmits wavelengths that are a multiple of the desired transmission line; these are also stopped by the blocking filter, too. The blocking filter or the TZ-3S with pre-installed blocking filter are not available separately.
IMPORTANT NOTE
TZ-optical systems are essential for undeteriorated performance of heated SolarSpectrum filters:Please note that for H-alpha observations below 1 Ang halfbandwidth (FWHM) a telecentric lens system is absolutely mandatory, in order to achieve the recommended focal ratio of f/30 to (preferably) f/40! Because only with a telecentric approach you can create a perfectly parallel optical path which is essential for the unrestricted function of such a complicated etalon.
A TZ-lens-system is an ESSENTIAL prerequisite. One could also optically - or by means of a Barlow lens - bring a telescope to a focal ratio of f/30, but this does not mean at all that a parallel optical path is created. And mind you, a still slightly conical optical path with f/30 sent into an etalon with 0.5 Ang FWHM would only provide the contrast as if the filter had a FWHM of 0.7 Ang or much worse.
It doesn't have to be a TZ-4. The 2" Research Grade TZ-3 Telecentric System (3x focal length) (#2459257 , € 445,-) with 46mm clear aperture is much better in terms of optical calculation than the 20 year older TZ-4. So it makes sense for the user to start with a TZ-3 RG and rather stop down the telescope aperture to get to f/30. This will bring out the real contrast of the chosen SolarSpectrum-filter much better than with a poorly matched system where, for example, the older TZ-4 has a smaller clear aperture than the Solar Spectrum-Etalon would require. In the long run, a newly calculated, large RG TZ-4 is in preparation - it is worth to wait for it and to get familiar with H-alpha observation with the TZ-3 first. In the end one will certainly need both systems (RG-TZ-3 and RG-TZ-4) and adjust the telescope aperture individually - as the system would require to enable an f/ratio of f/30 at minimum or f/40 as optimum.
Only AFTER the H-alpha etalon you can extend the field size by reducing the f-ratio with adding the new ResearchGrade telecompressor 0.4 into the optical train.
Basically - a Barlow lens has no place in an H-alpha system!
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Additional Information
| EAN Code | 4047825042903 |
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| Manufacturer | Baader Planetarium |
| SKU (#) | 1363070 |
| Outer Connection (lens sided) | ø 1¼" (31.75 mm), ø 2" (50.8mm) |
| Outer Connection (eyepiece/-camera-sided) | M42 x 0.75 (T-2) |
| Image Field | 27 mm |
| Focal length extension | 3x |
| Inner Diameter / Clear Aperture (mm) | 27 mm |
| Usage | for H-alpha observation or as Barlow lens, with frame for the block filter of the Baader SunDancer II H-alpha filter |
| Backfocus | 96 mm distance to T-2 threaded base |
| Barrel Size (in) | 1¼", 2" |
| Optical Design | Telecentric System |
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Eyepiece Projection - How good can it get?
Our customer Mr. Karrer uses the 9.25" Triband-SCT - Schmidt-Cassegrain-based Multi-Purpose-Telescope, for Sun and Deep Sky (#2301003 , € 4810,-) . With his fantastic images Mr. Karrer proves that a SC telescope can keep up with the best refractors in solar photography. We are truely impressed – high-res images which compete with well-known professional observatories.
Read here the detailed field report of Mr. Michael Karrer about the Baader Triband SC 9.25":
I own the Baader 9.25 triband SC telescope now since august 2022, but I'm still not using it often enough. Last May, a calm weather phase was coming and I decided to to start working later in the morning than usual and take a look at the sun instead. Visually, there were no air turbulences visible in the small Lunt H-Alpha telescope, the image was "steady". Accordingly, I had high hopes for the camera view through the 9.25" Triband. For the first time I used the 3x Baader SunDancer telecentric system which I had just bought, which allows a quite short image train. Because everything had to go quickly, I saved myself the warm-up phase of the Solar Spectrum H-Alpha filter and used the etalon of a PST instead. The image on the monitor was the steadiest I have ever experienced! And that at around 7 m focal length! Not much later, I had the AVI data on the hard disk. "Autostakkert" selected the best zones as usual.
I compared my results with (the few) top solar photographers who work with refractors with up to 9" aperture: Details with the Triband-SC are at least on the same level, if not even better to recognise! A sensational result for me! A large refractor costs a lot, is heavy, is hardly transportable and requires a massive mount. With the "feather weight" of an SC, all this is no longer necessary.
Let these pictures be the prove that an SC telescope can keep up with or surpass the best refractors in solar photography (be sure to look at the photos in full resolution).
And if you don't know it better, you sometimes do things which are "forbidden": I also used the Triband to take pictures in white light, together with the Baader Solar Continuum Filter. The image looked quite dull, but the details were good. The image processing was challenging. It was only afterwards that I discovered the now available Triband manual on Baader's website. The Triband-coating blocks the wavelength of the Solar Continuum Filter – hence the pale image! I should have used an OIII filter. Depending on the focal length extension, the sensitivity of the camera or even the transparency of the sky, a photographic Baader film or the Baader Herschel wedge may be necessary for further light attenuation.
How much of an issue is the obstruction of an SC compared to a refractor? It does reduce contrast, I can see that when I compare the image with that of my refractors. But image processing with dedicated contrast enhancement largely makes up for this disadvantage.
My conclusion:
Highest resolution, that's the goal. With the compact design of an SC, there is also the elegant option to observe at places with better chances for good seing seeing. Because only there can the optics unfold their true potential – and that is amazingly high! A refractor of the same size, on the other hand, will suerly stay at home...
Michael Karrer
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Prominence taken with Baader Triband SCT 9,25", Baader SunDancer TZ-3S, PST Etalon, Player One Saturn M, Seeing 7/10 
Sunspots AR3311/13/14 in H-alpha-Light taken with Baader Triband SCT 9,25", Baader SunDancer TZ-3S, PST Etalon, Player One Saturn M, Seeing 6-7/10 
Sunspots AR3323 im H-alpha-Light taken with Baader Triband SCT 9,25", Baader SunDancer TZ-3S, PST Etalon, Player One Saturn M, Seeing 5/10 
Eruptive Prominence taken with Baader Triband SCT 9,25", Baader SunDancer TZ-3S, PST Etalon, Player One Saturn m, Seeing 7/10 
Sunspots AR3311 in H-alpha-Light taken with Baader Triband SCT 9,25", Baader SunDancer TZ-3S, PST Etalon, Player One Saturn M, Seeing 7/10 
Sunsports AR3310 taken with Baader Triband SCT 9,25", Baader SunDancer TZ-3S, Player One Saturn M, Seeing 7/10 
Eruptive Prominence taken with Baader Triband SCT 9,25", Baader SunDancer TZ-3S, PST Etalon, Player One Saturn M, Seeing 6-7/10
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