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I have 4 Zwo cameras , 2 color 094 full frame & 2600 & 2 mono 1600 & 174 & Baader Filters size 2 LRGB & set of Ultranarrow Filters ( 3,5nm & 4 ) Which Varible extension rings are recommended , Camera side ?
on the upper side ( I have Eyepieces set 82 degree 1.25 /2 & 100 degree set too =Explore Scientific . your recommedation for connection please ?
I bought also from you Baader Off axis guider 2956951 , Can i attach a star Xpress Lodastar X2 Autoguider ?
I have a Starlight Feather touch Microfocuser for C14 & a Micro Touch Wireless Focusing System . do i need your Steel tracker 2957220 ? Vielen Dank , Ich bin ein Anfanger in Astronomy .
To test this, take a look through the eyepiece and move the mirror slightly up - if the star moves in the desired direction (or contrary to it), then you need to adjust the brass pins. Please see page 11 in the manual (chapter 3 - Adjusting the mirror). If it moves sideways instead, things get complicated. But that's most probably the solution.
For the eyepiece on the upper port, we'd recommend
#2956242 M42i x 0,75-ClickLock (Astro T-2 System) with a height of 36,6mm.
Please note that the upper port is limited by the diameter of the T-2-thread, so it is a little bit less than 40mm, and there will be some vignetting with 2"-eyepieces with long focal lengths.
For the camera, you can use e.g.
#2956220 SC / HD (2")-Clicklock (5" SC, 6" SC/HD, 8" SC/HD and 9¼" SC)
with a height of 47mm.
If I understand the description of ZWO correctly, the larger camera has 6mm of backfocus when used with either T-2 or a 2" nosepiece; the smaller camera should be similar and also include a 2" nosepiece (if doesn't, but has got a female T-thread, you can use Baader 2" nosepiece to T-2 / M48 # 2408150; if it has got only a 1.25" nosepiece, there is Baader Pushfix Reducer 2" to 1¼" # 2408151 with only 1mm of optical height).
We'd recommend to use these two clamps and to determine the focus position of the eyepiece. You shouldn't need to insert it completely into upper port, as that clamp is shorter. If desired, you can add T-2-extensions later to get to the right distance. Or you focus your telescope now with the cameras to find out how much the focus differs between eyepiece and cameras, then you can determine the required T-2-extensions in advance.
For connection to the telescope, we'd need to know the available thread at the telescope. T-2 or M48 work out of the box, for other threads, an adapter would be required.
For further information, please also take a look at this blog post: https://www.baader-planetarium.com/en/blog/using-the-flipmirror-the-correct-working-distances/
The mirror quality allows for flawless sharpness up to 300x magnification and it is good for any kind of guiding method.
Please keep in mind that the sales price is below € 200.-
In case you could trust us that we have given this product the same care as with our other Baader-products, we are quite convinced that you could be satisfied. Especially when we had been checking other flip-mirror qualities, to find that theirs is unpolished coated float glass.
- Nikon Z6 - 16mm
- Baader Wide-T-Ring Nikon Z (for Nikon Z bajonet) with D52i to T-2 and S52 # 2408335 (8.3mm)
- optional Reducing piece S52 / M48 # 2958552 (zero length) (for a wider clear aperture; not necessary, if you use T-2 on the telescope side)
The field stop of the eyepiece should be in the same distance from the FlipMirror as the camera sensor. That's ca. 24mm, if you attach the Wide-T-ring directly to the FlipMirror. Then you can use
- Baader Focusing Eyepiece Holder 1¼" / T-2 (T-2 part #08A) # 2458125, 29-35mm for the eyepiece
- Baader T-2 / 7.5 mm Extension Tube (T-2 part #25C) for the camera # 1508155
This gives you a working distance of 31,5mm for the camera and 29-35mm for the eyepiece. With this setup, you should reach focus with most eyepieces - usually, the field stop is at the transition between eyepiece body and 1.25" nosepiece, but it can vary. (We all know, that eyepieces are not parfocal...)
The length of the setup is then:
31,5mm for camera (and eyepiece)
59mm for Baader FlipMirror II Star Diagonal # 2458055 when used with T-2
15mm for Baader T Adapter (BTA) for SC and MAK Telescopes (T-2 part #21) T-2 Part #: 21 # 2408160
=> 105,5 mm
Optimum back focus is 127mm, so you need an additional 21.5mm extension, e.g.
Baader VariLock 29, lockable T-2 ExtensionTube 20-29mm with spanner tool (T-2 part #25Y) # 2956929,
if you want to be precise. (a 20mm extension should work good enough, and there is always Set: T-2 Fine-Adjustment rings (0,3 / 0,5 / 1 mm) - Aluminium #2457910) If you want to use the Off Axis Guider, you should place one 211mm-extension in front of the camera and one in front of the eyepiece holder, this will give you more back focus fur the guiding camera. If you don't use the off-axis-port, you can save money and put the extension between flip mirror and telescope. Fortunately, a Schmidt-Cassegrain is a userfriendly telescope, so that you don't have to keep to distance to a tenth of a millimeter.
The sortest adaptation to the telescope would probably be 2" / S52 Nosepiece # 2958551
The field stop of the eyepiece mus be as far away from the flipmirror as the camera sensor, so it also depend on whether you use a planetary camera, a DSLR or a mirrorless camera. We recommend Baader Focusing Eyepiece Holder 1¼" / T-2 (T-2 part #08A) # 2458125 with a length of 29-35mm, so it should be no problem wit a video module for images of the planets - especially with an eyepiece like the Baader Classic Orthos, where the field stop is inside of the nosepiece. Or you use a low-profile eyepiece clamp like Ultrashort 1¼" / T-2 Clamp # 2458121, which might be the better choice.
For photography with a larger sensor, you'll probably want to use a coma corrector instead of the flip mirror.
Do you think it is feasible? may you send me a tech drawing with ring holes on the three sides?
I thank you in advance for your kind answer.
The reason I am asking is because I purchased several of your products a few days ago. A couple of them being a Baader 2" ClickLock Adapter for 3.25" SCT's and just in case that didn't work I also got the Baader 2" ClickLock for Celestron & Meade. Well, the Baader 2" x 3.25" worked flawlessly. Now I'm left with an expensive Baader 2" ClickLock for Celestron & Meade SCT.
So, what I'd like to do is mount the Baader 2" ClickLock for Celestron & Meade SCT on to the back of the Baader Flip Mirror II to make it easier to mount my DSLR to the back of the flip mirror, but I am unsure of the specific thread adapter/s I would need to make it work. So, I need to go from the back of the Baader Flip Mirror II to the Baader 2" ClickLock for Celestron & Meade SCT.
Can you please help me figure out what part or parts I will need to make it work? Do you have a thread adapter to make this work and if you do can you please provide me with the Baader part number/s?
Any help you can offer would be very much appreciated.
Sincerely, Rich Williams
Astor, Florida 32102 USA!
If you indeed have an M48 male thread on the backside, you can use the 2" male / M48 female adapter #2454834 to mount the SC clamp:
If you have a T-2 female thread, you can use the 2" male / T-2 male adapter #1508035
And for a T-2 male thread you could use the 2" male / T-2 female adapter #2958242
The FlipMirror is really a very versatile tool. Please make sure to read the detailed instruction manual carefully to get yourself familiar with all the included adapters and thus all the adaptation options. https://www.baader-planetarium.com/en/downloads/dl/file/id/1568/product/4285/instruction_manual_baader_flipmirror_ii_star_diagonal.pdf
After looking over the instruction manual you sent me the link for now this looks like I need to go into a female S52 thread on the back of the Flip Mirror II. Or whatever the native thread is without any of the adapter rings that come with the Flip Mirror II. I have all of the adapter thread rings removed and so now I need to go from whatever that female thread is on the back of the Flip Mirror II to your 2" SC/HD clamp #2956220, with this female 2" SC thread.
I apologize for not asking my question in a more definitive manner. I hope it is more clear now that I want to go from the back of the Flip Mirror II with no adapter rings installed to the 2" SC/HD Clamp #2956220 with the 2" female SC tthread. So I need a Baader adapter with 2 different male threads on it. I'm hoping now you can tell me the correct adapter ring I need to use since I rephrased my question.
I'm sorry for repeating so much but I just want to make sure there are no misunderstandings so I'm not buying any unnecessary parts.
As always Baader, thank you for your help.
Sincerely, Rich Williams
Astor, Florida 32102 USA!
But as both the SkyMax and the FlipMirror have got T-2-threads, it would be much sturdier (and often shorter) to simply screw them together.
To change the orientation of the FlipMirror, you can use e.g.
Baader TQC/TCR Heavy duty T-2 Quick Changing System (T-2 part #06A & #07) # 2456322
Baader Complete T-2 Changer System (T-2 parts #06 & #07) # 2456321
You could also use a small T-ring like T-2 Locking ring with lever - for MaxBright® II # 2458271 as counter nut to fix the FliMirror in a conveniant orientation on the thread, but we'd recommend this only if you don't need to change the orientation too often. It also depends on the length of the T-thread on your telescope if there is enough place to safely attach both the rind and the FlipMirror.
But removing the 1.25"-extension from the ZWO mini should be sufficient. If you then need a shorter 1.25"-extension so that the camera fits better into the Off-Axis-Guider, you can use Baader 1¼" - 31.8mm nosepiece extension with 1¼" filter thread on both sides # 1905130 or an empty 1.25" filter cell as extension (Filter cell 1¼" classic (8mm height) # 2459251 or Filter cell 1¼" Low Profile (6mm height) # 2459251L
Without any adapters, 55mm flip mirror + 55mm backfocus of a DSLR (with t-ring) leaves 23 mm of optical length left. #2958500B for the SCT connection gives me 7mm + 2mm for the T2 adapter shipped with the mirror. I then have 14mm left to connect the DSLR t-ring to the mirror somehow, correct?
Then if I were to use 2458100 as a focusing eyepiece holder, I'd just need to find T2 extension tubes to achieve the same optical distance to the eyepiece flange, correct?
7mm (SC-T-2-adapter) + 59mm (BFM II) + 55mm (DSLR + T-Ring) = 121mm
so you need to bridge another 12mm.
This can be done either with a 10mm T-2-extension plus two T-2 Fine-Adjustment rings 1mm (gold) - Aluminium #2457913
Baader Variable locking T-2 extension (12-16mm) incl. lock ring (T-2 part #33) # 2958130
If you place this 12mm extension between telescope and flip mirror, then the distance to the camera sensor is 55mm, and the eyepiece holder on the upper port should also be ca. 55mm long - for eyepieces, where the field stop is located at the connection of nocepiece and eyepiece body (this is common, but not the case for all eyepieces). 2458100 is 32-38mm long, so you need another 20mm - e.g. with Baader VariLock 29, lockable T-2 Extension Tube 20-29mm with spanner tool (T-2 part #25Y) # 2956929.
If you prefer a screw-connection, you can use Baader SC / HD Ultra Short T-Adaptor, 9mm optical length # 2958500B with the 2" SC thread of your telescope and the T-2-thread of the flip mirror, and maybe a T-2-quick changer if you want to rotate the mirror easily into a conveniant position.
But this is NOT quantified in Micron or any other grade of possible displacement. The housing is metal, whereas the mirror-flip-support consists of injection molded ABS-plastic. So inevitably displacement may occurr in conjunction with temperature change across longer time intervalls.
But since this product may just be used for one hour per use case and then it may be looking at the next object already, to help pinpoint always different deep sky objects. Your use case may differ entirely - when you want this product to steer the same laser for years: "exactly".
We would recommend to replace it with #2956220 SC / HD (2")-Clicklock (5" SC, 6" SC/HD, 8" SC/HD and 9¼" SC) so that you can use any standard accessories - and easily rotate them into a conveniant position.
Then, you can attach
Baader M48 extension tube 30 mm / 2" nosepiece with Safety Kerfs # 2958630
to the Flip Mirror and use it with the telescope.
The Flip Mirror itself has got T-2-threads on both ends. For use with Barlow and ADC, it is probably the best if you use T-2-eyepiece clamps on both ports. There are several clamps available: https://www.baader-planetarium.com/en/accessories/adapters-imaging-accessories/eyepiece-clamps.html?filter_threads_lenssided=536 As the position of the ADC should be orientated on the horizon, it is better to use a clamp than to screw it directly onto the FlipMirror without an option to rotate it.
As the magnification factor of the Barlow depends on its distance to the sensor, it should probably be mounted behind the Flip Mirror. Together with the ADC, this will move the focus position, but it is hard to say how much - so you will probably need some T-2-extensions to reach the same focus position with the eyepiece on the upper port, too, but you'll have to try out how many T-2-extensions you will need.
Anyway, I have your Baader FlipMirror ll #2458055 and I was hoping you had an adapter that went from the threads on the top opening to a 2" twistlock? Would you happen to have this item and if so could you please tell me the item number so I can order it. I already have several items in my shopping cart, one of them being the Off Axis Guider for Baader FlipMirror II (BFM-OAG)
# 2956951 for the small bottom port, and I would like to get them all at one time if possible.
So, thank you for your outstand sales and service, let alone your excellent products. I will definately be a lifelong customer!!!
Sincerely, Richard Williams
Astor, Florida 32102 USA
We're assuming that by "Twistlock" you mean our 2" ClickLock clamps? In that case you can simply purchase our #2956242 M42i x 0,75-ClickLock (Astro T-2 System), which you can thread directly onto the T-2 thread of the adjustable top ring.
Unfortunately we don't deliver directly to customers in the USA, so if you want to purchase, please contact our distributor www.alpineastro.com
If you could list the chain of components required make this work, I would be very grateful.
I am a big fan of Baader products, I have found the quality and functionality to be exceptional.
Kind regards, David.
The ZWO has got a back focus of 12.5mm, so you should use a 20mm extension - the best and most variable extension would be Baader VariLock 29, lockable T-2 ExtensionTube 20-29mm with spanner tool (T-2 part #25Y) # 2956929. For more flexibility, you might lengteh the eyepiece position to 39.5mm with Baader T-2 / 7.5 mm Extension Tube (T-2 part #25C) # 1508155 - then the extension for the camera would be at 27.5mm, which is well in between the 20-29mm range of the VariLock.
Please take also in account the length of theFlipMirror (59mm for T-2) and the optimum back focus of 133,35mm of the 8" EdgeHD telescope - depending on the adaptation which you use at the back of the telescope, you may want to use some further extensions to place the camera at the perfect distance.
To be honest, autoguiding is usually used for larger sensors which would be obstructed by a 1,25"-focuser anyway, and most focusers which are strong enough for a flip mirror, a camera, a guiding camera and maybe even an eyepiece are 2"-focusers, so we preferred a larger mirror.
I also have a DSLR with the T2 adapter for Astro photography. Can you tell me specifically what additional adapters i will need to connect the flip mirror to the 2” opening on the Meade and to allow 2” eyepiece plus the DSLR?
Please note that the upper port is restricted by the T-2-thread and the diameter of the diagonal. The usable field is 32mm, equal to our 32mm T-2 prism diagonals.
You can screw a standard DSLR with standard T-ring directly to the back of the BFM-II. There are small set screws to adjust the rotation of the camera with a screw driver or an allen key. The distance from the sensor to the flip mirror is then 55mm (the standard flange distance of T-2).
On the upper port, you can use the M42i x 0.75-ClickLock (Astro T-2 System) #2956242 with a height of 36,6mm. Then you need a T-2-extension of ca. 18mm to bring eyepiece and camera to the same focal distance. It might be the best to use the shorter Baader T-2 / 15 mm Extension Tube (T-2 part #25A) # 1508154 and let the eyepiece stick out a little bit, or to use a 7.5mm or 15mm extension between camera and flip mirror and a Vari Lock for the eyepiece holder. We can't give a final anser to this, because not all eyepieces have the same focus position - it is often at the top of the 2" nose piece, but it may vary. For 1.25" eyepieces, you have to take the length of the 1.25"-adapter into account, too. The shortest solution is Baader Pushfix Reducer 2" to 1¼" (T-2 part #15a) # 2408151.
For more about this, please take a look at this article: https://www.baader-planetarium.com/en/blog/using-the-flipmirror-the-correct-working-distances/
You ned to place the field stop eyepiece at the same distance from the BFM-II as the camera; and it is easier to vary the eyepiece positin than that of the camera.
Baader SC / HD Ultra Short T-Adaptor, 7mm optical length # 2958500B
to attach it to the T-2-thread of the FlipMirror.
Baader FlipMirror II Star Diagonal
Various ports – variable work
Telescope auxillary instruments cover a wide range of interests, from a sole eyepiece, via camera use, to high end spectroscopy. Unfortunately every telescope just features one exit port. This causes relentless manual exchange of parts in the dark, causing huge time loss, wear on the parts - and "nerves". And whenever you start controlling your telescope remotely - the single port becomes a painful reality.
Improving workflow, especially during astrophotography is the goal set out for the BFM II. This is not just a simple flip mirror but much more, as there are three ports to be put into action.
BFM II makes your single telescope port variable - to suit your various interests.
The FlipMirror II Star Diagonal allows a variety of permanent adaptations to your telescope 1 . Use the rotary knob 2 to switch between the rear port 3 and the top port 4; you can use an optional toothed belt to operate it with a motor (not included). An autoguider or a calibration lamp can be connected to the bottom port 5.
General Function of the FlipMirror II Star Diagonal
The BFM II lets you switch between a straight light path (Position A) for a camera or other measuring instruments and an angled light path (Position B), e.g.
for an eyepiece. The following figure shows how it works. In addition, a calibration lamp for spectrographs or an Off-Axis-Guider pickoff-prism (that is not affected by the mirror position) can be connected at the AUX-port on the bottom
Scope of Delivery of the Baader FlipMirror II Star Diagonal:
- Baader FlipMirror II Star Diagonal – with fine-optically polished, movable mirror
- Laterally adjustable T-2a top ring
- 2x M48i / S52 Dovetail ring made of hardened stainless steel # 2958552
- Reducing ring M48a / T-2i # 2958553
- Reducing ring M48a / T-2a # 2958554
- Inverter ring M48a / M48a # 2958555
- Pin type face wrench for M48 / T-2 and M4 counter nuts
- 3 mm screwdriver for M 4 brass adjustment screws
- 4x hex keys (2.5 / 2.0 / 1.5 / 1.3 mm). The 2.0 mm wrench has a ball head to reach screws even when accessories are mounted by holding the wrench at an angle.
- Bottom flange (laterally adjustable 1mm) for off-axis guide or calibration lamp for spectroscopy
- Dust cap for bottom flange
- 2 x M48 dust caps
- T-2 dust cap
|Net weight (kg)||0.24|
|Optical length (mm)||55 mm with S52, 59 mm with M48/T-2|
|Dimensions||63 x 77 x 69 mm|
|Inner Connection (lens sided)||Thread, Dovetail ring clamp, S52, T-2 (M42 x 0,75), M48|
|Inner Connection (eyepiece/-camera-sided)||Thread, Dovetail ring clamp, M48, S52|
|Outer Connection (eyepiece/-camera-sided)||Thread, M48|
|Type of Adapter||Variable|