Only if you have a low-profile T-2-ring like #2408318 or if you use the M48-thread, you'll have to use additional spacer rings.
I also want to use other eyepieces. How do I know the right distance between fieldstop position and the MPCC?
I am using an Orion Thin Off Axis Guider and a Full Frame Canon 6D Markii.
Your specs require the MPCC to be converted to M48 and for full frame the back spacing needs to be 57.5mm. But there is no adapter available on the market to get the extra 2.0-2.5mm I need.
Canon SLR 44mm
Orion Thin Guider 11mm
Scope is a GSO 200mm F4 Newtonian.
I have tried it using the M42 method with severe vignetting due to it not being full aperature and full frame camera in use.
I am out of ideas and would appreciate your help.
Telescope: Newton 1000/200 F5
QHYCCD filter wheel CFW3M 5x50,8mm with:
Baader Narrowband CCD Filters 2" mounted OIII 8.5nm, SII 8nm, H-alpha 7nm
2" MPCC Mark III (back focus OK)
The reflection does not disappear when using flats.
Do you have any suggestions?
and this blog post
where we have collected a couple of information about filters and halos.
You can achieve this easily with the
Baader VariLock 46, lockable T-2 ExtensionTube 29-46mm with spanner tool (T-2 part #25V) #2956946 ( http://www.baader-planetarium.com/en/accessories/adapters-imaging-accessories/astro-t2-system/baader-varilock-46-lockable-t-2-extensiontube-29-46mm-with-spanner-tool-(t-2-part-25v).html )
Please check the camera manual if the back-focus measured from the T-2-thread is 18mm. If it is different, you can use either the Varilock 46 (for 29-46mm) or the VariLock 29 (for 20-29mm).
The Wide T-ring need 8,3mm, no matter if you use it with T-2 or with the additional S52 / M48 adapter #2958552
The MPCC requires 55+/-1mm distance, when used with T-2 or the optional Baader M48 Spacer Ring for MPCC III / Protective EOS T-Ring
# 2458405, or 57,5+/-1mm when used with the M48-thread, but without the adapter #2458405
If you use either T-2 or M48 with the adapter #2458405, you need an additional 30.7mm-extension (+/-1mm) in T-2 or M48.
For T-2-this can be done e.g. with
2x Baader T-2 / 15 mm Extension Tube (T-2 part #25A) # 1508154
1x Set: T-2 Fine-Adjustment rings (0,3 / 0,5 / 1 mm) - Aluminium # 2457910
1x Baader VariLock 46, lockable T-2 ExtensionTube 29-46mm with spanner tool (T-2 part #25V) # 2956946
For M48, we do not have the spacer rings yet, but you could use
2x M48 Fine-Adjustment ring 1mm (gold) - Aluminium #2457918
1x Baader Hyperion Finetuning-Ring, 28 mm # 2958228
If you use the MPCC without the optional adapter #2458405, you need a 33.2+/-1mm-extension - for this, we do not have a solution at the moment.
For a fullframe camera, we'd recommend the M48-adaptation because of its larger clear aperture.
Appreciate your help.
We recommend the
Baader zero-tolerance protective Canon DSLR T-Ring T-2/M48 and 2" w. clear glass filter (as protection against dust) #2958550C
Baader M48 Spacer Ring for MPCC III / Protective EOS T-Ring # 2458405
to attach the camera and use the laergest possible diameter.
This causes difficulties when used with clamps with a copper ring.
No problems with a smooth barrel.
In the answer to which you refer, we wanted to make clear that if the customer uses the ZWO-T-Aapter which gives a backfocus of 17.5mm, he can use the VariLock variable T-adapter to get a complete distance of 55mm from the T-2-collar.
So, if you have a camera with T-2-thread and 6.5mm of backfocus (with the T-2-thread), you ned an adapter with a length of 48.5mm. This can be done with a combination of Baader T-2 / 15 mm Extension Tube (T-2 part #25A) # 1508154 and Baader VariLock 46, lockable T-2 ExtensionTube 29-46mm (T-2 part #25V) # 2956946, which is set to 33.5mm.
All regular T-rings (but not the low profile adapters) provide the necessary distance of 55mm, which is an industrial standard.
I have seen that the T2 adapter I already have include something very similar to this (https://www.baader-planetarium.com/en/baader-m48-spacer-ring-for-mpcc-iii--protective-eos-t-ring.html), so I wonder if I can just use the T2 adapter I have without that, or if I would need a different one, for example "Baader Wide-T-Ring Sony Alpha and Minolta Maxxum with D52i to T-2 and S52" (not sure if this is the one I have)
I am afraid once I have ordered the corrector I might end up needing something else...
Vignetting which is caused by the T-thread (M42x0.75) can be removed with a Wide-T-Ring, but it may also be caused by the camera bayonet, so please check if a wider T-ring will actually be of use, or if the camera is the problem.
Please also note that Sony uses two bayonets, one is compatible with Minolta and the other one is the E-bayonet.
Maybe you can ask ES if these eyepieces are the same or similar to the one shown in our manual?
If you should need a longer 1.25" nosepiece, there is also Baader 1¼" - 31.8mm nosepiece extension with 1¼" filter thread on both sides (T-2 part #05) # 1905130 - but for the few millimeter of difference with the Hyperions, it should not be necessary.
On the other hand, there are Newtonians which are designed strictly for visual or photographic use, both by focus travel and size of the secondary mirror. With these telescopes, it may be that they can't provide the backfocus needed for a DSLR or a coma corrector, although you can reach focus with a camera which requires as little backfocus as your ZWO.
Please check the telescope's manual if there is any information about attaching a cmaera, especially a DSLR.
Will it work properly if the coma corrector base element/main body is screwed directly into the 2" barrel of the Hyperion Zoom eyepiece?
You need the MPCC in T-2-configuration plus
Baader Expanding Ring T-2f / M48m (T-2 part #29) # 2458110 - optical length 2.5mm, placed inside of the 2" nosepiece of the Hyperion Zoom
Baader VariLock 29, lockable T-2 ExtensionTube 20-29mm with spanner tool (T-2 part #25Y) # 2956929, set to 21mm.
similar to the setup described for 2"-eyepieces on page 10 of the MPCC-manual at http://www.baader-planetarium.com/en/downloads/dl/file/id/483/product/3004/mpcc_mark_iii_instruction_manual.pdf
DSLR Sony SLT-A99 and CCD QHY695A (according to FAQ back focus is 33mm without off axis guider and 46mm with off axis guider)
I already have Adapter ring from M48 to Sony Alpha bajonet
What adapters do I need to properly connect MPCC to each camera to ensure best coma correction.
You can achieve this e.g. with M48 finetuning rings:
The preferred 2.5mm could be reached with two 1mm and one .5mm ring.
For the QHY with its smaller sensor, you can use the T-2-thread. To achieve the desired 55mm, you need 9mm +/-1 with the autoguider.
You can create a 10mm-extension (which is close enough) from
Baader T-2 Conversion (Ring T-2 Part #: 34) # 2958110
Baader T-2/T-2 Inverter Ring (T-2 Part #: 26) # 1508025
For the QHY without the autoguider, you can use
Baader VariLock 29, lockable T-2 ExtensionTube 20-29mm with spanner tool (T-2 part #25Y) # 2956929
and set it o 22mm.
For a full-frame-camera, we recommend using the M48-thread of the MPCC, the Baader M48 Spacer Ring for MPCC III / Protective EOS T-Ring #2458405 and Baader zero-tolerance protective Canon DSLR T-Ring T-2/M48 and 2" #2958550.
The problem I am having is that I cannot get the camera to focus using the MPCC and 2 inch eyepiece adapter. I am at the limit of the telescope focuser which cannot move the camera near enough to the focal point of the telescope.
I would have thought that the MPCC/Canon/Celestron combination would be a common one yet it doesn't work.
Do you have any suggestions how this could be solved? For example, are you aware of a shorter 2 inch eyepiece being available? Is there an attachment that can fit in to the threads at the front/inside of the MPCC which would replace the 2 inch eyepiece and allow the camera sensor to reach the focal point?
We do have a S57-ClickLock (Skywatcher / Celestron) #2956257 which should fit into your focuser and is only 30mm long - maybe this saves you enough backfocus, perhaps in combination with moving the main mirror some mm upwards with its collimation screws.
On the other hand, we had no reclamations about the MPCC with a Newton concerning focus so far, maybe because most astrographers tend to replace the simple focuser with a better model like the 2" BDS-NT Baader Diamond Steeltrack Focuser # 2957230, anyway. But to mount it onto the C8N, you'd have to drill some holes into the tube, as shown in the installation video on the product site.
I'm sorry that Celestron's Newton doesn't provide a possibility to use photographic 2" accessories in a better way.
If yes which intermediate ring should I use.?
Baader Hyperion DT-Ring SP54/M52 for DTAdapter II&III and Hyperion Eyepieces # 2958052
to get from SP54(female) to T-2 (female), then you can screw this adapter to the T-2-thread of the MPCC and have a male M52-thread on the camera/eyepiece side of the MPCC.
But please do not ask about the correct distances for a camera lens, we never tested this under the stars.
The 12-16mm has to be set to 13,7mm then you get in summary the required 55mm distance from sensore to the MPCC. Actually the
T2 extension rings will obstruct the image because it is a bottle neck but you have to do a crop down to APS-C at the picture anyway.
It depends on the configuration of the Mark IV, how the MPCC must be fonfigurated to be set to 55mm.
For the Canon Protective T-Ring, you need Baader M48 Spacer Ring for MPCC III / Protective EOS T-Ring # 2458405 as described on page 6 of the manual: https://www.baader-planetarium.com/en/downloads/dl/file/id/483/product/3004/mpcc_mark_iii_instruction_manual.pdf
Do you sell the necessary spacers to do that?
I'm not sure if I understand your problem correctly - in M48-configuration, the MPCC needs 2mm *more* of back focus. So, if your setup has got 55mm of backfocus, you are too close to the MPCC, at a distance of 52.5mm. By adding 1.5-2mm, you get into the specified distance. You can bridge this gap e.g. with our M48 spacer rings https://www.baader-planetarium.com/en/m48-fine-adjustment-rings-(03--05--1-mm)---aluminium.html in 0.3, 0.5 and 1mm thickness. But more than about .5mm does not work - and this is only possible if the thread of your camera adapter is not recessed. Depending on how well the threads fit to each other, it might be a good idea to secure the camera with the camera strap at the telescope, so that it can't fall down.
On the other hand, if you have a camera adapter with S52-ring-dovetail, you can try the Baader M48 Spacer Ring for MPCC III / Protective EOS T-Ring # 2458405 - often, you can remove the T-2-thread and access a ring-dovetail.
But as the Nikon-F-bajonet has got a diameter of only 44mm, which is smaller than the lens of the MPCC and smaller than the sensor of the 8300, you can also use T-2 instead of M48.
To make full use of the larger diameter of M48 - e.g. for an Off-Axis-Guider or if you have a large camera bajonet - take a look at the RCC I, Rowe Coma Corrector # 2956800 which provides a much larger back focus and is designed to allow for an off-axis-guider between camera and coma corrector.
Your website about your Baader T-ring tells, quote: “Represents the standard exact distance of 55.0mm from the front support surface of the T-ring to the image plane of the camera body forth”
Now, this 55,0mm is longer than the 45,46mm registerdistance from Pentax.
Does the ring still work and let focus?
If you use a PENTAX T-2- T-ring-adapter (for instance our item # 2408302), you gain the exact additional distance to produce the required distance of 55mm with your PENTAX camera body.
55 mm is a well established industry standard for DSLR-T-2 rings (dating back to the days of SLR-emulsion films). Accordingly the T-2-rings matching different DSLR-cameras have got different heights. This is to provide a standard lens distance for any DSLR camera body, so that also third party lenses (Tamron, Soligor a.o.) can be used on any DSLR camera.
This is the reason why the MPCC had been designed for the 55 mm focus distance.
Today the standard has "softened" somehow with the advent of mirrorless 4/3 cameras and many other imaging tools that continue to replace DSLR-cameras these days. It is the reason why we have been designing a multitude of other variable length adapters like the "Vari-Lock-system". Also many modern telescopes do require larger light cone throughput than the T-2 standard can supply. For this reason the latest design of the MPCC even can unthread the T-2 male thread and be attached with the outer M48 thread supplied at the camera-end of the MPCC. However, finding the right parts for producing the correct sensor-distance is somewhat trickier than using the well established T-2 standard.
Baader MPCC Mark III - Multi Purpose Newton Coma Correktor
Coma corrector for Newton telescopes that neither reduces the focal length nor the image field of your telescope
The Multi Purpose Coma Corrector Mark III eliminates coma across the full photographic field without manipulating the focal length. The proprietory lens design has our Phantom Group™ wideband multicoating on all air to glass surfaces. This treatment delivers highest transmission combined with lowest amount of scatter and reflections across a very wide spectral range from UV to NIR. The original MPCC had been designed for an f/ratio of f4.5 to f6. The new Mark III however works exceptionally well even down to f3.5. Stars remain pinpoints across the field and the visual use likewise is made much easier - with the help of the 2" (M48) male filter thread at the eyepiece facing side.
The base-element 2858400A is prepared for use with a DSLR and a standard T-ring, it can be used over the T-2 thread on all standard T-rings. Since the T-thread vignettes with cameras with larger sensors (such as full-format DSLRs), the T-2 thread can be removed. Then an M48 thread is free, and the free aperture increases from 38 to 44 mm. The M48 spacer ring for MPCC III / Protective EOS T-ring can be connected directly to the Protective CANON DSLR T-ring.
This means that you do not only have sharp stars in the entire picture but also illuminate large sensors!
Visual and photographic application
In addition, the MPCC can be used both visually and photographically. The V-1 set # 2454803 contains the necessary adapters for most eyepieces or cameras with a 1.25 "socket - a detailed description can be found in the manual, which can be can be downloaded as a PDF under the tab "Downloads". The basic element of the MPCC can be upgraded at any time for visual use, all necessary parts are also available separately.
Technical data of MPCC Mark III
- no change in focal length or field size, an f4 Newtonian remains f4.
- calculated lens system - designed for an unvignetted field down to f3.5
- maximum sharpness across the field - without center soft spot (as reported of other)
- accepts T-2(M42x0.75) and/or 2"(M48x0.75) threaded photographic- or visual-adapters
- 2" stopping collar removable for increase in backfocus
- for photographic and visual use
- easy to use
- exceptional price/performance ratio
- Phantom Coating™ Group multicoated for maximum transmission and freedom from reflections from UV to NIR
- optional adapter for direct coupling of the MPCC III directly onto the Baader CANON EOS protective T-ring
- 44mm clear aperture when using the M48(2") filter-tread or the Protective T-ring with optional adapter
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